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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:23 am 
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The proberlem with these types of events, there are always cops, hanging around either before or after and 90% of the time they will pull you over to hassel you and find something to defect on your car. Its a no win situation.

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car trailer solves that. my car has come home busted twice since i bought the trailer and towed home twice before i bought it, so worth the investment if you intend to cut loose.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:01 pm 
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I've heard stories where a police officer will ask you to reverse your car off the trailer so that he or she can inspect the trailer, then when the car is on the road, defect the car. They can't defect the car unless it is on the road, so this is their solution.

Bad policing unfortunately, but it's the sort of thing I can see happening.

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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:48 am 
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That sounds terrible................

As a police dispatcher (not an officer) I find that terrible that an officer would trick people like that...........

I work roughly 98 hours a week 24/7 roster and I have not dealt with such bad policing, we actually appreciate the fact that you are taking your 'possibly' unroadworthy/unsafe car to the drags/drifting on a trailer rather than driving it, it is what we recommend.

People don't respect police enough, they only think of them as revenue raisers, but what happens if you are scared shitless and need help, you will call the police, and want them to help you. And what do you pay them when they save your life? Nothing, so yeah, they need to give fines to D!ck head commodore drivers etc to pay for helping you out with your domestics and reporting your stolen goods.

You know what though, I used to be like all you guys, untill I started working with officers full-time and got to know them, most are in the job to help people and contribute to society, but unfortunately your right that there are some corrupt police and it's sad :(

I have so so so many people that are law breakers time and time again and then they call 000 and ask for help and we help them, because that is what we do. Please don't dis-respect the Officers, majority of them are good and are here to help you. You would be surprised how much the officers will respect you if you will RESPECT THEM :thumbsup:

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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:31 am 
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People don't respect police enough, they only think of them as revenue raisers, but what happens if you are scared shitless and need help, you will call the police, and want them to help you. And what do you pay them when they save your life? Nothing, so yeah, they need to give fines to d#ck head commodore drivers etc to pay for helping you out with your domestics and reporting your stolen goods.
I have to laugh at this one.
I respect police. I have a number of friends who are either traffic cops, S.O.G. or Police Search and Rescue.
What gets my goat is the fact that the police are here to serve us, but it's the system that lets us and them down.
The police might help to save your life, but it's the magistrates that need a foot in their proverbial. If a bloke launders 2 million because his wife has separated and taken the kids, and he needs the money for child support and to pay off some debts as he lost the house etc. etc. etc. he gets some STUPID sentence because a large sum of money was involved. Joe blow down at the pub saw someone talking to his missus so he glasses this guy in the face nearly killing him, and he gets 18 months suspended sentence and 100hrs community service because it was his second offence and he's been a good boy since then.
What a joke.

I don't even have to kill ANYONE, and I can get jail time for SPEEDING FFS! That's even funnier.
PLUS these new hoon laws give you no rights. You can be minding your own business, and the police can pull you over, and SEARCH YOUR CAR and YOU, because of these new rules that were brought in. We don't have any rights anymore, and i'm sick of it.

The police are just doing their job, and it's the system and the leaders that need to be given a foot up the ar$e. We the voter shouldn't have to put up with this. It's a democracy. You can't even protest on PUBLIC LAND without getting taken to jail.

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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:49 am 
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I was just driving down Eastlink this morning.
Is this safe?:

Everyone was doing 100km/h.
(except for the left lane where morons can't seem to find the 'go' pedal to speed upto 100km/h to merge with everyone else doing 100km/h)
Now I like to travel just a little faster than everyone else, similar to the motor bike principle. You go faster (or slower) than everyone else, and everyone can see you because the speed differential. Proven to be safer by studies performed in the US and Europe (in fact Germany's roads are setup like this)
Instead of this, we are all watching our speedo, looking in the mirror, looking on the side of the road for cameras, driving 'carefully' (read: slowly) because it was raining, looking at the car next to us because they are on the phone, QUICK, look at your speedo, you're doing 103, which means it could be 104, which means there might be a cop, quick have a look around, nope, it's all good., look at the speedo again. Look in the rear view mirror, look on the side of the road for parked cars/police radars etc.. Why is everyone driving so slow? OH NO speeding again, slow down, touch the brakes, guy behind slows down, everyone slows down.
Overtake the car in front because they have slowed down, but can't do over 100, because the cameras/ police, so takes AGES to pass someone doing 99 on their cruise control, the guy behind you cracks it because you are in the 'fast lane' and not moving fast enough.

ITS BULL$HIT. ALL BULL$HIT.

We are becoming WORSE drivers because of these STUPID laws which target the minority. I reckon I spend MORE time looking at the speedo, than actually looking on the road. Not to mention being paranoid about parked cars.
They say in the defensive driving courses you steering in the direction you are looking. Well, god help us all if we're all looking at our speedo, or parked cars. I have not had an accident since I have been driving. But this makes me feel unsafe on the roads. For the first time in 8 years FFS. The minority is winning.

HOON LAWS? BAHAHAhahahahhahahhahahha.... The joke that the government is enforcing is affecting all of us. The accident rate is going up, pedestrian deaths have increased.
40km/h zones on MAJOR roads? Instead of spending $20K on a SINGLE digital speed sign, PUT UP FENCES, and put the speed back up.
40km/h? Yeah I could probably run in front of that car and make it across in time. BANG.
80km/h. Geez these guys are quick. Might use the crossing instead.
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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:26 am 
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SR20Datsun wrote:

I have to laugh at this one.
I respect police. I have a number of friends who are either traffic cops, S.O.G. or Police Search and Rescue.
What gets my goat is the fact that the police are here to serve us, but it's the system that lets us and them down.
The police might help to save your life, but it's the magistrates that need a foot in their proverbial. If a bloke launders 2 million because his wife has separated and taken the kids, and he needs the money for child support and to pay off some debts as he lost the house etc. etc. etc. he gets some STUPID sentence because a large sum of money was involved. Joe blow down at the pub saw someone talking to his missus so he glasses this guy in the face nearly killing him, and he gets 18 months suspended sentence and 100hrs community service because it was his second offence and he's been a good boy since then.
What a joke.

I don't even have to kill ANYONE, and I can get jail time for SPEEDING FFS! That's even funnier.
PLUS these new hoon laws give you no rights. You can be minding your own business, and the police can pull you over, and SEARCH YOUR CAR and YOU, because of these new rules that were brought in. We don't have any rights anymore, and i'm sick of it.

The police are just doing their job, and it's the system and the leaders that need to be given a foot up the ar$e. We the voter shouldn't have to put up with this. It's a democracy. You can't even protest on PUBLIC LAND without getting taken to jail.

I was just driving down Eastlink this morning.
Is this safe?:

Everyone was doing 100km/h.
(except for the left lane where morons can't seem to find the 'go' pedal to speed upto 100km/h to merge with everyone else doing 100km/h)
Now I like to travel just a little faster than everyone else, similar to the motor bike principle. You go faster (or slower) than everyone else, and everyone can see you because the speed differential. Proven to be safer by studies performed in the US and Europe (in fact Germany's roads are setup like this)
Instead of this, we are all watching our speedo, looking in the mirror, looking on the side of the road for cameras, driving 'carefully' (read: slowly) because it was raining, looking at the car next to us because they are on the phone, QUICK, look at your speedo, you're doing 103, which means it could be 104, which means there might be a cop, quick have a look around, nope, it's all good., look at the speedo again. Look in the rear view mirror, look on the side of the road for parked cars/police radars etc.. Why is everyone driving so slow? OH NO speeding again, slow down, touch the brakes, guy behind slows down, everyone slows down.
Overtake the car in front because they have slowed down, but can't do over 100, because the cameras/ police, so takes AGES to pass someone doing 99 on their cruise control, the guy behind you cracks it because you are in the 'fast lane' and not moving fast enough.

ITS BULL$HIT. ALL BULL$HIT.

We are becoming WORSE drivers because of these STUPID laws which target the minority. I reckon I spend MORE time looking at the speedo, than actually looking on the road. Not to mention being paranoid about parked cars.
They say in the defensive driving courses you steering in the direction you are looking. Well, god help us all if we're all looking at our speedo, or parked cars. I have not had an accident since I have been driving. But this makes me feel unsafe on the roads. For the first time in 8 years FFS. The minority is winning.

HOON LAWS? BAHAHAhahahahhahahhahahha.... The joke that the government is enforcing is affecting all of us. The accident rate is going up, pedestrian deaths have increased.
40km/h zones on MAJOR roads? Instead of spending $20K on a SINGLE digital speed sign, PUT UP FENCES, and put the speed back up.
40km/h? Yeah I could probably run in front of that car and make it across in time. BANG.
80km/h. Geez these guys are quick. Might use the crossing instead.
:impatient:

SR20Datsun, I can totally understand and respect exactly where you are coming from with these comments. The speedo on my Datsun is a bit out, and because of this 3km/h over bullsh*t and the revenue-raising speed cameras on EastLink, I sit with my Datsun's speedo on 85km/h. I have to constalty check how fast I am going, then look around to make sure I'm not about to hit anyone, then check my speedo again...exactly what you were saying. And I would rather do this and piss everybody off than get whacked with a 3km/h over speeding ticket, lose another point on my licence and then only have three to last me for the next two years, not to mention also having to pull $150 from somewhere. That's exactly how I got my only speeding ticket so far, I was in my old Ford on the Western Ring Road, and I didn't check my speedo frequently enough, and got done doing 107km/h.

MS1600, in my time I have met and dealt with some very reasonable police officers. More often, unfortunately, I have dealt with some absolute w*nkers who abuse their power in an effort to screw me over. Yes, I am a young male, and yes I'm a P-plater. But I am not going to learn to respect the police (something I would like to do) if they keep behaving like this. After one incident when I thought I had been unfairly treated, I asked another police officer about making a complaint, and was told I should go to the station of the officer I wished to complain about, make my complaint and the officer's supervisor would have a talk to him. Which would achieve what?

Maybe I should do what other people in my area have done with this officer and give him death threats, since I don't have the right to do it properly.

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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:01 pm 
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After one incident when I thought I had been unfairly treated, I asked another police officer about making a complaint, and was told I should go to the station of the officer I wished to complain about, make my complaint and the officer's supervisor would have a talk to him. Which would achieve what?
He'd probably just target you next time he saw your car, and defect it for whatever reason he could find.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 3:58 pm 
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^ EXACTLY

i have had nothing but headaches with the police in my town, one had to be transferred to this town because the lebs in sydney put death threats on him because of the trouble he was causing, like defecting cars that had certified engineers certificates etc, so he come shere and does the same.

I had my car stolen, and woke to a phone call from a lady who said my car was outside the front of her house 30kays away, my number was on a bill in the centre console, anyway she rang the cops an hour earlier than that, i was at my car for 3 hours before the cops finally came, didn't even take fingerprints, as all that was stolen was my headunit and centre console, i had proof from a petrol station video camera and witnesses who saw my car with a group of other cars at the time it got stolen, and they didn't want to spend the time of day hearing about it, since then they can **** off, i did all the work t find out who did it, and to this day still know who did, brisbane people, ***you know who you are*** and all because it was an S13 silvia.
Another time i saw a small daihatsu van pull out infront of a B double truck, needless to say the guy got thrown from his van a good 20metres (no seatbelt saved him in this case), i was first on the seen, called the cops, immobilised the still running van that was wrapped around a pole on fire, organised useless people to divert the traffic, and so on, and by the time the cops got there i told them what id done and so on, did i even get one thank you, NO, they told me to leave or i would be escorted away as i'd disturbed the evidence, no statement nothing, i went to his superior, same thing, needless to say i told them where they could stick it, and that was then they took attention of me, finally the commanding officer had a chat to me and was apologetic about the other two, too late then

since then i was targeted by the cops, "random breath tests" etc, made my life a pain, never got done for hooning etc, but was one reason why i sold my S13, i had been defected by them on numerous occasions for having 17"s and a low height, im a mechanic that had studied a bit abour ADR's, and proved to them time after time that all my mods didn't effect the ADR's, so they wasted my time and there's trying to be heroes, only to be proven wrong again and again.

the only cops i can ahndle now are general duties, anyone cop related to road/traffic has no respect from me, i know the hardships they have to deal with, so why dont they do that instead of wasting my time and theres in trying to defect me for something that isn't illegal for the 3rd time

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 Post subject: Re: ANTI HOON POLICY
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:41 pm 
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I agree with practically all that you are saying, in fact most of the arguments can all be solved by the government supplying more funds to get more officers in general duties to get to those car accidents quicker etc. It is very frustrating when we get a 000 call about an accident and we are tied up with a domestic or drunks causing issues over the other side of town, then have to get to the accident to save a life. We need more officers - not Traffic Cameras and impounding units.

I do this job to help people, that's my reason. I got a fine the other day from a traffic camera on the Western Ring Rd because of speeding 10kms over, I refuse to pay it to be honest, it's still sitting on my counter. My speedo is out slightly and the needle bounces a little so I am generally trying to do the speed limit, but it is hard. I definately think there should be a 10% over rule, because I doubt that many cars have accurate speedo's - not once you change your tyres or rims.

Anyway, all I was saying is not to put all officers down, there are good and bad ones out there and that's not just in the force, there are good and bad people everywhere in the world.

I didn't actually think the word 'Hoon' was an actual politically correct word anyway? So how can there be a law about it?

The term "Hoon" was first used in Australia at the turn of the 20th century where it referred to a man living off immoral earnings [1] (i.e. a pimp). The origin of its current usage is currently unknown but is widely believed to be a shortened form of "hooligan" [2]. In more recent times it has been used to describe any young male or female who drives in a manner which is anti-social towards the standards of modern day society. Generally, a hoon is any person who drives any vehicle dangerously and/or fast.

hoon Austral & NZ slang
Noun
a loutish youth who drives irresponsibly
Verb
to drive irresponsibly

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:49 am 
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I, like many a younger driver on the road, thought I was a good driver. I thought I could drive faster than most and liked a challenge… Unfortunately, for most of the misguided young drivers on the road, they haven’t had the humbling experience & extreme thrill of true competition driving.

Nothing, AND I MEAN NOTHING, makes you realise that even just trying to drive a bit faster on public roads, dragging on public roads, drifting on public roads, whatever, is just a joke and waste of time, until you have tasted being smashed by someone who can really drive. The first time you drive your hardest at a track or on a rally stage and you get beaten comprehensively but at the same time the experience of truly driving on the limit (or over it) gave you a far bigger thrill than you have ever had “hooning” on the road, makes you realise that “hooning” on the road is a waste of time and effort. Chances are the little talentless git you are trying to race on a public road in their excel, WRX (WRX drivers are the biggest f**kwits on the road), commodore, etc, has never turned a wheel in anger and racing them on public roads is the equivalent of racing a kid with one leg in a 100m sprint at the local shopping centre.

Do you believe you can really drive? Think you have big balls? Prove it!!! Join a motorsport club and get along to their next competition meeting and show them all how good you really are…



As for Ozdat distancing itself from any illegal and irresponsible behaviour on public roads, so it should. Anyone that says otherwise is truly selfish and doesn’t understand the greater implications for Ozdat and the Ozdat community if they did condone it.

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I've heard stories where a police officer will ask you to reverse your car off the trailer so that he or she can inspect the trailer, then when the car is on the road, defect the car. They can't defect the car unless it is on the road, so this is their solution.

Bad policing unfortunately, but it's the sort of thing I can see happening.
and it's just that - a story.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:49 pm 
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green200b wrote:
I've heard stories where a police officer will ask you to reverse your car off the trailer so that he or she can inspect the trailer, then when the car is on the road, defect the car. They can't defect the car unless it is on the road, so this is their solution.

Bad policing unfortunately, but it's the sort of thing I can see happening.
and it's just that - a story.
Agreed just stories!!

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