ok so you still use fuel but half fuel and half water
for 10 bucks you can get this set up
things you need big glass jar ( 30cm tall )
2x stainless steal cups
bit of copper wire
and a hose to your vac line on your carbie ( we are gonna start testing on efi cars soon )
and water with a lil bakeing soder

if you wanna know more pm me cheers

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rubbish i say, how do you unlock the chemical energy in water for less than what it takes to break it down?



but feel free to show me and hundreds before me wrong. (nothing against these "free" ideas, just no one so far has made a working model yet)

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my shrinking garage is down to.....
2x 1600s
1x GQ Tray back
1x 300ZX
1x FZR600

There's a lot on the car forums about this recently.. well, with the price of oil over $120/barrel..

It does appear that you get more power back than you put into the alty to split the water, but you won't get anywhere near enough gas to run the car on water only!

Everyone SAYS they get more power, but none of them seem the sort of people who do a dyno run before and after to prove it.

Lets us all know how it goes...

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show me a working model and ill make you and i very very wealthy.

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my shrinking garage is down to.....
2x 1600s
1x GQ Tray back
1x 300ZX
1x FZR600

happy to show people but there has been a lot of non belivers so i could spend the next month showing people . i better upload a a vid

any way water alone can be hard to get the hyrdroen but with a LIL baking soda it realy actervates and you can see it pumping out the hyrdroen ( and running a 20amp fuse so i think that should asnwer you questions about how can you split the water , while not useing more power than it produces

we want to run it on hyrdroen only but still resurching this

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sweet..
would love for you to do a before and after, showing dyno power before and after, and corresponding volumetric fuel flow before and after
i think once people see these facts than people will believe.....until then....

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720 King Cab: Daily Driver V2: SOLD

i cant see us paying to put the hillman on a dyno to try and help others that will more than likely say dynos are a load of crap eg a friends silvia got 20+ hp difference from two dynos ect ect

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do it on the same dyno, same day, once with hose plugged in, one without
no one cares to the actual power of the car, just the power difference, im more concerned with is if it will actually save any fuel, hence why i wanna know the volumetric fuel consumption.

you said you were still researching this, i assumed you were being more that a backyard bogan with a bucket and hose

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Me and my boss have been mucking around with this whole Hyodrogen thing and I think Aaron S has been too. Me and my boss have done SO much research on it. We've make working 'cells' that produce hydrogen from a current being passed through water via 12V but not yet put it on a motor. But from what we have heard yes there is a gain... But its very marginal. No way would it cut your fuel bill in 1/2! You would have to be making so much hydrogen for that. Maybe if you have a 120A alt pumping into a really big cell you would start saving fuel.

Jordan put some pics or a vid up of your setup!

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Lost the Datto bug... But ill still hang around here and annoy you all!

all rightieee i poped over to my olds mans place and the hho hillman was out so we knocked up a hho cell to a pulsar
normaly we mount the unit and wire to the cars power but this was a quick set up just for the video
look hard at the glass jar and see the bubbles , if you use a plactic jar it will suck in ( implode ) < dont know a good word for it

and yes we are pround backyard bogans with buckets of water

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw9u03GgNno

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stocko 1200 ute

the problem is you aren't producing enough hydrogen, to make it worthwhile you will need a setup 10 times that to make any noticable difference, think about how much fuel the car is using over a certain amount of time, say 1minute and then workout how much hydrogen would be required to run it for the same amount of time, there's not a chance that these puny little setups would produce 1/50th of what would be required

i'm a believer of using it, but the setup would need to be much larger, ie using another alternater on the motor to power a complete boot mounted setup, not just a small jar of the stuff

Look at meth/water injection as a guide to see how much is injected into the inlet to see any noticable gains, most of which are from timing advances anyway due to the better combustion filling (not really related to this though)

mates, have been fiddling with it for a while and have a setup 10times that size with multiple cells, yet to hook it up to a car, but they make enough to warrant a reserve tank, goes through 1lt of water pretty quickly, when they were running it off a 12v stepped down generator

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well one liter of water produces somthing like 100 liters of hho and hho is somthing like 2.5 times stronger than fuel
so people run twin jars if the motor is bigger than a 4 cly

so one lil jar is pretty potent , we set one up in the shed with a long hose and thought we could light the end of the hose and instantly the flame went straight down the hose and blew the jar ( neva seen any thing like it )

is your mate using baking soda ????? is makes a big differents

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stocko 1200 ute

they've gone the whole hog, baking soda or something else, not sure, but it's not just plain water, big setup, would easily take up the whole spare wheel well, which is their plan, haven't done much to the setup in the last 6months though, put it on the backburner for now, they have too much else to worry about

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hope you update us when its upand running would love to see pix's
cheers

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Why don't you make the HHO and store it in a gas tank (like LPG).

Seems to me that trying to make HHO on the fly with the motor its supplying gas to isn't really going to have much effect. You might increase the power of the engine slightly, but is that even enough to overcome the extra drag caused by device's drain on the alternator. Are you burning extra fuel to make the HHO in the first place.

It would work out alot chaper to use mains electricity to make the HHO than it would to use the petrol motor in your car.

Hydrogens very explosive, so be careful. Remember the Hindenburg.

Never heard of using glass jars before. The ones I saw were stainless steel in a pvc tube.